Episode 147 of The Mental Mettle Podcast features former pro hockey player, Air Force veteran, and sport and performance psychologist Dr. Dave Jones for a powerful conversation about fear, faith, and true mental toughness. What began as a brutal slap shot to the face eventually rerouted Dave’s life toward the Air Force, pro hockey in Germany, faith, and the work he now does helping high performers build a healthier mindset.

In this episode, Matt and Dr. Dave dig into the four toxic motivators—fear, lust, anger, and pride—and why they can look effective in the short term while quietly doing damage over time. They explore how fear-based toughness, anger-driven effort, and identity tied too tightly to sport or success can leave athletes and high performers exhausted, reactive, and empty. Dave also breaks down the difference between identity and role, the importance of vision, and why faith, humility, and gratitude create a stronger foundation for lasting performance.

You’ll also hear practical ways to start shifting your mindset, including “fruit-checking,” choosing the right people around you, and learning to notice whether your motivation is producing life-giving or destructive outcomes. For athletes, coaches, parents, and leaders who feel driven but drained, this conversation offers a different path forward—one rooted in faith instead of fear.

To learn more about Dr. Dave’s work and his upcoming book Plan to Win, visit misgood.com. And for more mental performance resources from Mental Mettle Coaching, check out the free Resilient Parents Playbook at resilientparentsplaybook.com.

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